#289 – Grimerica Talks UFO Disclosure & Life After Death with Leslie Kean & Alex Tsakiris


Interview starts 34:30
Leslie Kean joins us along with a special co-host, Alex Tsakiris to chat about the state of Disclosure and the NY Times article about UFO’s being researching in the US Government. Leslie made a great impact in UFOlogy a few years back with her book “UFO’s, Generals, Pilots and Govt Officials go on the Record”. Leslie is very open about the process and genesis of this fascinating account, and Alex pushes back a bit to challenge any potential deep state intentions. Is this just part of the Drip Drip of Disclosure or is the timing not coincidental and finally some players are coming forward to confirm what UFOlogists have suspected for decades?
We also get a chance to talk about Leslie’s other research and book “Surviving Death – A Journalist Investigates Evidence for an Afterlife” which is also right up our alley.  Are there parallels between the two areas of research? These are two of the biggest questions?. We also chat about TTSA, deep state intentional disclosure, how the mainstream media has opened up to the UFO topic since Leslie’s article in Dec 17, NDE’s, trusting CIA and Skunkworks, Classified vs not classified, drop in communication and Fmri reduction.
In the Intro, we share some listener UFO sightings, and a couple UFO articles from the CIA reading room. Darren shares some social media feedback and we talk about a crazy Synchro from Oregon and our visit there, and also about meeting some great people in Seaside who love to chat about all this stuff.
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One comment on “#289 – Grimerica Talks UFO Disclosure & Life After Death with Leslie Kean & Alex Tsakiris

  1. Pierre says:

    Hi Guys, Thanks for your great shows. Your recent interview with Leslie Kean was fantastic.

    I do agreed with you and Alex that the release of information to the New York Times must have been vetted for some reason by the powers that be. I have worked with classified info myself and something struck me from Leslie’s statements about only unclassified information having been released by the “whistle blower”. I had to chime in.

    Let’s imagine a 100-page document that is assigned a certain level of classification. That document may be classified only because one paragraph on page 56 contains classified information. That paragraph will be clearly labeled as classified while all the other paragraphs will be labeled as unclassified (U). This doesn’t mean that I can legally make a photocopy of page 88 and release it even though its contents are entirely unclassified. I must first take page 88 to be “certified as unclassified” by a person authorized to do so. This request must be justified and will be archived.

    I would presume that a few unclassified seconds cropped from an otherwise classified video would have had to go through the same process of “certification as unclassified”. In other words, someone in a position of authority knew that information was being extracted from the videos and was intended to be released to people that either do not have a need to know or do not have the required classification to gain access to the original footage.

    Of course, I am not even talking about the potential IP issues and the non-disclosure agreements which cover aspects that go well beyond document classification. There is no way, in my opinion, that this release of information was not vetted for a specific objective.

    My personal speculation is that the objective was very simply to track down the way that news on that topic is shared through social media and map out the people sharing or reacting to this news. They already know who the true believers are (through Youtube channel subscriptions for example). This effort was designed to target the next layer of open-minded people most susceptible to believe, but that do not actively seek information on the subject, nor discuss it regularly and are therefore harder to track. If I had to guess what the endgame of that was, I would say that this is the info they need to efficiently squash an accidental/unvetted release of news (or a smoking gun) in a mainstream media, by making sure those influential people on the fence and that could raise questions don’t get the news in the first place. They would also know exactly how long it takes before the story dies down and stops being shared when there is no follow up in the mainstream media…

    That’s my 2 cents…


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